Crystal Blue’s Skincare Story: How I Beat Malassezia Overgrowth
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Hello everyone, f.c. here! Today I have the distinguished honor of bringing to you all the very first guest post on Simple Skincare Science, written by no other than our own Crystal Blue. :’}
If you’ve been here awhile you’ve probably seen her comments around blog; always super encouraging, empathetic, and willing to lend a hand to those in need with AMAZING advice.
She will be sharing her skincare story to hopefully help others put pieces together for their own journey. Who knows, maybe we’ll even get lucky enough to have her do ingredient breakdowns and reviews in the future! 😀
If this is something that interest you, please feel free to send me an email!
Okay, I’ll shut the hell up now and let her take it away. 💙
Table of Contents
Introduction.
Greetings!
Crystal Blue is who I am, I am 57 years old, and in this post, I am going to go through my story of a long-standing bout with a fungal overgrowth called malasezzia on my face.
I’ve been reading F.C.’s Simple Skincare Science for over six months now, and I asked about sharing my skin saga, just as F.C. did. His story gave me the confidence to share something of myself…. speaking of that, here’s a little background on me:
I’m a six sigma certified project manager at a major healthcare company by day, and I live a pretty quiet lifestyle at night, pursuing my passions, which amount to a weird, yet wonderfully diverse mix of writing, science fiction, growing things and cooking them, Aikido, belly dance, and of course, the science and chemistry of skin care. I’d start a blog, but picking the right subject is hard!
First, allow me to make one thing very clear: this isn’t a post to blindly tout Korean skincare products; they just happened to work for me. I’m not affiliated with any skin care product or company, except the one I work for, and that shall remain nameless.
I know how the healthcare system works, I have a decent knowledge of medical terms, but like anyone else, it was a far different experience to be the patient vs. the provider.
This is a dialogue of what happened, how I discovered the problem by using analytical thinking, and the change of lifestyle I took to solve my skincare woes. Like most ongoing healthcare problems, it wasn’t just a single thing, it was a combination of factors that produced a break in my skincare health.
Origins, Or The Crazy Train Begins.
The emotional rollercoaster towards the answer has been incredibly frustrating, scary and exhilarating by turns. I started off without skin problems; up through my early thirties, I had good skin, and a total of about 6 zits in my high school history. My skin got dry in winter, but then, everybody got dry skin in winter where I live.
At some point, it changed. One winter I had a rash appear, and it didn’t go away.
It spread from the nasolabial folds outward in a matter of days; my partner laughingly referred to it as the plague until he was hit with a flying stuffed rabbit ala Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
However, laughter faded as it persisted, no matter what creams and ointments I used. I became a stranger in the mirror, with a very unsightly face that looked like my skin was being slowly sandpapered off around my nostrils, upper cheeks and chin.
Of course, I first trotted straight to my primary care doctor and asked for a dermatologist. Sadly, the American healthcare system didn’t work well for me. I was refused a referral to the dermatologist by the primary care’s nurse practitioner who rather snidely told me to just stop wearing makeup.
I tried first aid cream, Neosporin, and plain old Vaseline. I put away the L’Oreal and tried the Clinique, then the Phisoderm and the plain lukewarm water. Over the next 2 years, I tried two more doctors; one said it was seborrheic dermatitis and one said it was rosacea, and gave me glossy brochures of their personal skin care lines.
Aestheticians were vague, telling me to see a doctor and then produced a variety of products that either irritated my skin further, or just plain didn’t work. So, after all this had happened, I felt the first twinge of despair, with no idea of where to go and what to do.
I resigned myself to having a skin condition for the rest of my life. And I lived like this for about 15 years.
Acquiring Baggage.
I went through bouts of self-loathing, where I literally avoided contact outside my home and cried every night, re-living every critical look or comment through the lens of my own hyper-critical eye. I endured some truly humiliating moments because people judged me on my appearance.
I was passed over for a date with a near-perfect match on paper, because he thought I was an alcoholic and my reddened face was proof I’d been drinking before his arrival.
I had people at beauty counters and beauty salons pulling me aside and offering some magical skincare routine or suggestion in order to ‘help you, you poor dear’ — which stung me deeply.
Was I THAT ugly? Was I really a walking miniaturized version of the plague?
I noticed people began to brush me off as less intelligent or professional because of my
appearance…. when I had the courage to make an appearance.
I became isolated and went out less and less, even lying to my few friends left that I was just too busy. I was so sick of the stares and the way I was avoided, especially by men and children. I went through a period of depression, compulsively trying new products and treatments, then exploded in anger one night, throwing out everything in my bathroom and just stuck to baby shampoo, hydrocortisone and lukewarm water.
Then Six Sigma happened.
Breakthrough.
Oddly, this quality methodology that relied on fact-driven decisions changed my life. My skill set at work was increased tenfold and I found myself being sent to other departments and offices. I was sent to overseas offices, the first being Seoul, in South Korea.
There, I was hit head on with a culture obsessed with beauty and perfection, and the direct, bald comments of the Koreans shocked me at first; then something just clicked in my head, like a reverse polarity switch.
They were brutally honest, but it didn’t faze me. I started to feel defiant and said so what?
Related viewing: Grace Neutral Explores Korea’s Illegal Beauty Scene.
I went about and started to enjoy myself, forgetting I had a face that grossed people out back home. I stumbled into a Hanbang doctor for an acupuncture treatment and afterwards I simply asked: I have skin and scalp disease, do you have a cure?
The kind man sent me to a neighboring hair shop where a couple of adjummas hoi’d and aigoo’d over my head, then mixed a paste of herbs and oil and vigorously massaged it into my scalp. 30 minutes later, a jar of the same was thrust in my hands with lots of yelling and a gentle slap or two before shoving me out the door.
Roughly translated, I’m pretty sure they said, “it puts the paste on its scalp and it rubs it in, or it gets the hose again….“ ;p #silenceofthelambs
Within a few days, my scalp showed some pink skin and it stopped itching. Bliss.
Related reading: How To Fix Dehydrated Skin According to Science: GET YO’ GLOW HOMIE
Becoming Sherlock.
After a rather inebriated conversation with a coworker in a hotel bar about how our lives had changed after our classes, she quizzically looked at me and said, “you know, Crystal, maybe I oughta use this damned six sigma to figure out why I can’t find the perfect guy.”
At 2:45 in the morning I woke up, and asked myself something similar: why can’t I figure out what’s wrong with my face?
What followed was weeks of gathering information, tons of it. I looked everything I could think of: my products, my living environment, what I ate, where I lived, what my hands touched, even what kinds of bacteria my pets would have.
I stayed in touch with the Hanbang doctor, whom directed me to reference books and websites on traditional Chinese medicine herbs, and I even reached back to an herbal dictionary a forebear wrote. The doctor gently steered me into answering questions about everything in my life, because “we are looking for causes of illness, not symptoms.”
I created a timeline on my office wall of sticky notes, with photos of myself. Then I applied a lot of critical thinking, adding what products or beauty treatments I had used at those points in time – who was I with, how was I living? What was I eating? Where was I living? – Anything that seemed relevant went up on that wall.
It took about three months of building this crazy timeline during spare moments on nights and weekends, but a picture emerged:
It all started 26 years ago. I was living with a scientist who was working for Monsanto. He was working on a yeast strain that could help speed the fermentation process. How did it happen? Simple cross contamination.
He came home with lab coats and work uniforms that had this yeast strain on him. He also had been affected, and had dandruff, athlete’s foot and jock itch, but wasn’t clever enough to figure it out. The yeast strain somehow seduced my existing malasezzia and created an imbalance on my face and scalp.
Poof: a love-child of overgrowth that reproduced faster than the Flash and hardier than the Alien!
What I Did To Cure Myself.
Obviously, a lot of change was needed. I wasn’t absolutely sure which factors were the leading
contributors, so I slowly applied them all in stages and kept notes on how each thing worked. In short, if I was really going to achieve any lasting results, I had to become an educated consumer.
1. Internal change first
It was a change I could make immediately, and at a low cost. I went to eating a BALi diet for 1 year to help suppress the yeast overgrowths in my gut. I did get myself tested at a lab.
Related reading: Acne and Diet: The Free Comprehensive Guide to Nutrition and Skin
I noticed that when I travelled, changes in eating habits had some effect: I ate a lot more fish, veggies, seaweed, fruit sugars, and rice vs. wheat or corn. However, I didn’t follow that kind of diet back home. So, I’d clear up a bit on trips, but my skin woes would always go back to the previous state within a week or two afterwards.
My nutritional supplements were heavy at first: a multivitamin, probiotics for 3 months, ginseng tea, and a traditional herbal medicine after the Korean Hanbang doctor was consulted with the results of my investigation. I still take the vitamin and the ginseng tea.
2. Regular scalp treatment
I continued to use the Korean scalp treatment herbal paste every time I went to Seoul; then I later switched to Ryoe Shampoo and scalp treatment for dandruff, which has many of the same herbs, just in extracts. I don’t miss the adjumma head slaps.
I found out many of the traditional Chinese medicine herbs in the hair paste had anti-fungal properties. The paste had over a dozen ingredients: Ginseng, Ginger, Mugwort, Wormwood, Centella Asiatica ( AKA Tiger Grass), licorice root, pine needles, Skullcap, Job’s Tears, Camellia seed oil, honey, and more.
3. A malassezia-safe skincare routine
The girl who worked on my scalp in Seoul took me to her cousin whom worked the Sulwhasoo counter at Shinsegae, a luxury department store.
I was convinced…er bullied… to try their skin care line; they literally insisted that their Korean method would work, but without the adjumma’s head slaps. I stuck to a routine twice daily and saw real results happen in about 3 months.
Consistency was a key factor. Oil free products with anti-fungal benefits and high moisture levels kept TEWL at bay and let the skin rebalance to a controllable level of malasezzia.
4. Replaced bedding and towels
I went through my bedding and towels, replacing them and washing with an anti-fungal additive, until I deemed my skin problem had abated.
The laundry additive was a gallon of Diversey Virex disinfectant my RN friend got me from the hospital laundry. They use broad-spectrum disinfectants that have anti-microbial action on just about anything: bacteria, mildew, virus, fungi.
A concentrated bottle has lasted me for 4 years, and I’m still ¼ full. Just dilute and put it in a spray bottle, or add to laundry as recommended by Diversey. I’ve also bought Xtreme Clean; even Lysol has a laundry sanitizer on the market that can be found on amazon. If you’re Brit, Dettol makes a laundry sanitizer.
I still use the anti-fungal a couple of times a year. I figured the older bedding and towels all held a good bit of dead skin cells with yeasts/fungi, and no amount of soap and hot water would kill them off.
I replaced my down pillows with hypoallergenic fill pillows. I found out fungi are prevalent in older pillows, especially down ones. The mattress was treated with anti-fungal spray and a new mattress pad added.
I tore out my wall to wall carpet. I figured again that the fibers held the dead skin, yeast, and fungi.
It may seem germophobic to go through your whole house and sanitize clothes, bedding and towels, but it is a common practice when dealing with contamination in a healthcare setting, like a nursing home or hospital.
You can greatly lessen the chance of re-infecting yourself if you go do a single deep clean of your home and clothes. Nobody likes to think that we are a biome, and we shed bits and pieces of it every day. And remember ya’ll put your freshly cleaned cute face on the same pillow every night for 8 hours!
5. Investing in a water-softener.
First, I bought a cheap water filter from Dewifier that attached to the shower line, right before the shower head. Eventually, the house was upgraded with a whole house filtration system by Aquasana – it’s a single stage filter.
I recommend this type over a digital or electronic water descaler, because water descalers simply change the magnetic field and alters the adhesion properties of the minerals so that it no longer deposits itself. Descalers do not soften the water.
To paraphrase Wikipedia and various skin care sites, the body is always growing new skin cells deep within the dermis. The new cells move upwards toward the surface as they mature. Some mature skin cells undergo a process called keratinization — the conversion of the microscopic scale-like membrane of cells into keratin, or simpler structural proteins.
Basically the upper layer of your skin, a.k.a. epidermis, contains an outer layer of skin cells that have become a dried, keratinized shield. The upper layers of these cells are naturally worn away through contact and the continuous upward push from younger cells.
Hard water has been a common cause of dry skin and dermatitis. However, hard water is not necessarily a problem in of itself — remember we have many natural hot mineral springs in the world that help us with other skin conditions. However, the deposit of minerals onto the skin can irritate as well as heal.
The minerals prevent many products from lathering and rinsing off, so when hard water is combined with our soaps, shampoos and lotions, it creates a residue on skin; you use more products in an effort to clean it off, get more water sucking residue left on skin and create a perpetual cycle of irritation. So basically, the good stuff can’t get in there and work.
6. State of mind shift.
My mental state of mind was, for lack of a better word, lousy. I’d become ultra-defensive, cynical, and jaded against the healthcare system and the beauty business. I had to let go of the burden of all the negative experiences I’d so carefully packed in my emotional baggage, or I’d become like that permanently.
To quote Natalie Lue from Baggage Reclaim, “become more of who you really are by breaking the faux rules you’ve written for your life, confronting your emotional baggage so it stops running you, and choosing wellbeing over pleasing.”
Geneen Roth’s book Women, Food and God provided the mantra to be kind to myself and stop the internal dialogue of self-hate. I have the words, “imagine treating yourself with the kindness that you show people you love,” written on my bathroom mirror.
Every time I heard someone speak or read how someone hated how they looked, I made myself say something positive. They didn’t have to explain the feeling of having their problem marginalized, or the silent upwelling of despair, exhaustion, angst — those feeling were old friends.
Meditation has also become part of my life; whether it’s on a yoga mat outside, a Youtube video, or a quiet moment at an airport, 15 minutes is set aside daily.
And lastly, I put myself in front of a photographer about a year after my skin healed. It wasn’t vanity, it was a test of will to get myself comfortable in front of people again.
The takeaway.
To summarize this saga, it was not a short trip, but a long journey. It took a step outside of “the normal” to look for an answer. Healing from the emotional damage is needed just as much as the physical damage that happened over the years.
One of the biggest questions that I had been left with was that if western medicine is so excellent at diagnosing and relieving symptoms, why did it take so long to come to the right answer?
Maybe it was lack of self-esteem and courage that held me back from insisting on answers, but looking back, I will add some factors:
First, I had never thought to question a doctor, I assumed they knew better than I, and that assumption cost me dearly. I do not condemn doctors or aestheticians; there are many unsung heroes and competent professionals out there that make the right diagnosis and bring beautiful results to visages all over the country. I am sure had I found one, my skin condition would not have dragged on for as long as it did.
Second, there is one thing that the Korean Hanbang doctor intuitively understood — a combination of things creates synergy. Synergy is the creation of a whole that is greater than the simple sum of its parts. I learned that my long running skin problem was a combination of many things; therefore, curing what ailed me would take many things, not just one wonder cream.
Third, there is a great deal of misinformation out in the skincare universe; you have to sort through the too-busy professionals, the paid reviewers, and unsubstantiated claims to discern facts.
The only advice I will give is be stubborn. Grow a stainless steel backbone and a Kevlar attitude until the stubbornness pushes you to a real answer. I find it ironic that a quality program for work got me to look at more than just symptoms of a health problem and helped me become the educated consumer of skin health care and skincare products I needed to be.
But as problems tend to be a wadded, tangled up ball of many different things, so are the solutions. Real life medical problems don’t follow textbook examples. Everything worked to provide some direction, even Seoul’s brash and brutal opinions.
Be Curious. Stay Curious. Find the answer. I did.
My Skincare Routine.
The core of my face care starts with cleansing oil, followed by foaming cleanser and simple toner and serum from Sulwhasoo.
I add other serums, sheet masks and the occasional skin cream as needed. I change products seasonally, as winters are cold and dry, and summers are hot and humid. The seasonality is a step beyond the norm, but it works for me.
1. Cleansing oil for malasezzia?
Gasp! You bet I did. I was deathly afraid at first and said no, but the woman at the Shinsegae sale counter and her cousin were able to convince me by showing me the ingredient list translation and went into a 5 minute explanation about the main ingredients.
They even got into my phone and called the Hanbang doctor; he was rather tickled and brought his wife on, because I’d chosen a skincare line with his beloved Hanbang herbs. The main oily emollient is a synthetic ester — Isopropyl Palmitate, or IPP for short.
For those of you whom have bacterial or cystic acne, this is an ingredient which is comedogenic and therefore an acne trigger, NOT an acne problem solver.
I suspect the emulsifiers used to break down the isopropyl palmitate may have made the fatty acid chain indigestible to the evil malasezzia. Plus caprylic acid is in the ingredient list; so there may be less IPP than usual in the recipe.
I also follow up with a foaming cleanser, which removes quite a bit of the oil cleanser. It’s not like I’m slathering pure IPP on the face and sleeping on it.
Note (from f.c.): the 3 main oils that are safe for malassezia are Mineral oil, MCT oil, and Squalane oil.
2. Foaming cleanser
Sulwhasoo’s Snowise EX cleansing foam because the pH is 5 – 5.5, and contains the herbal extracts the line is famous for.
The scent of the pine is a refreshing novelty that enables my fantasy of a spa day in an Asian mountain inn. pH does matter! If you don’t know why, check out these related articles:
- Skincare Discovery: Why the pH of Your Cleanser Matters
- Why the pH of Skin and Products Are Crucially Important
3. Toner
Sulwhasoo Essential Balancing Water is part of my core product lineup. It’s always in my basket, and always used.
Toner, or Skin (Korean nickname) is the one thing that made a huge difference in my skin’s hydration —without the oils that fed my malasezzia overgrowth. Its texture is not water and not gel, but something in between – think of the viscosity of glycerin.
Asian toner is different than European/American toners – think of it as more of a hydrating moisturizer that is just the water without oils or esters in it that make it creamy. That water is chock full of beneficial herbal extracts that soothe skin, and once absorbed after a few minutes, my skin is able to soak up the creamy skin treatments better.
4. Serum
Sulwhasoo first care serum is another part of my core product lineup. The company went through something like 3,000 herbal ingredients from the traditional texts to create a blend of 5 items that have proven worth to skin quality.
Obviously, a serum is a concentrated extract and like toner, it has a water/gel texture – at times thicker, depending on ingredients. I use more than one type of serum now, depending on what I think my skin needs and time of year it is.
Yup, my crazed analytical brain has even studied trends in seasonality on my skin. I can’t help it, it’s what I do.
5. Other products / ingredients.
Serums with Centella Asiatica. This herb is also known as Tiger Grass, Gotu Kola or Indian Pennywort. It’s an old remedy; I went through many brands of serums and ampoules, but Pure Heals ampoule was a brand that I bought several times.
Benton snail bee high content essence — Like F.C., I consider this a Holy Grail.
PyungKang Yul – this is a skincare line from a leading clinic in Seoul. The rebalancing gel and the moisture ampoule deliver some serious hydration with minimal formulation.
CosRx has some excellent cleansers – the good morning low Ph cleansing gel rocks; they have a Centella line, BHA and AHA/BHA toners, and swath of products that have created a good buzz in the K-community.
I am a fan of sheet masks, as they delivered the moisture my skin needed without lots of oil. Most that I have used regularly have snail mucin, bamboo water, Centella, or Propolis. And yes, some brands are more worthy than others.
My reasoning boils down to this: With a mask, the moisture and active ingredients have a chance to sink deeper into the Stratum corneum. If I pat on a serum and run, then just my upper SC layer gets the benefit. And the glow evaporates.
Remember when you swam all day or sat in the tub until your fingers wrinkled? Your skin became waterlogged, yes? That piece of fabric soaked in essence sitting on your skin for 10 to 30 minutes helps the SC to suck up all that H2O and molecules of goodies suspended in it.
I saw girls in the Korean jimjillbang (public spa bath) slapping saran wrap over their sheet mask and sitting there sweating away for a good hour. I’m surprised someone in Gangnam hasn’t taken their seal-a- meal to their face or something.
The other day I felt equipped to deal with my skin just fine and plow through life like a champion. Today a wave of darkness came over me…just when I thought I had figured it all out. Ego is such a complicated thing. Tbh my skin problems make me feel inferior at times, like others are of a higher species.
On a really bad skin day, the progression of my internal monologue can look like this:
“I have bad skin. I look ugly. It is my fault. I must compensate and be approved by others. I must not be rejected. I have to be good at everything. I have to be smarter. I have to prove to myself that I can kill it at every possible thing…but what if I can’t do that? I can barely step outside my front door today. I’m not enough. I have failed.”
Every day
I attack the lies
I gore them with stabs and dismember them
but they still survive
I burn them with fire, but they only weaken
They never die
They. won’t. fucking. die.
I didn’t intend on writing a poem but it was happening so meh I went with it. Also, excuse the language ma’am…It was the only word that fit.😬 Anyway, to shift the trajectory towards positivity, I feel that I have been blessed by your story. It is a lesson in patience. I see that sometimes it can take many years to figure out skin problems and emotional problems. For some, it’s a slow, meandering ride with lots of road bumps. I’m so glad you recovered from all that and are here to share your story. Isn’t skin absolutely miraculous? So is human resilience —with the help of God, in my opinion.
Somewhat depressing comment in part, but maybe some will relate. I’ve noticed the overcompensation factor getting it’s claws into others too. So, for the sake of awareness, I’m putting it out there into the universe.
And…
“You are enough”
…that is still SO much easier to say to others
“I am enough.”
There. ^_^
…not that I’m against having goals at all! but I think that, during hard times, it is something we need to say to ourselves so that we accept who we are in that moment and stop trying too hard.
Crystal and f.c. y’all are salt of the earth.
Thanks darling, for a wonderful read❤
Kicking depression in the balls/vajingo as always,
B.S. 🤔
P.s. Also, writing is another thing that I’ve added to my list of “things that’s are miraculous.” It does something for the mind that nothing else can.😇
While I am elated for Crystal finding her cure, I caution anybody with Malassezia folliculitis to try products containing oil (outside of MCT and mineral oil). Based on crystal’s photos, it appears she has Seb Derm, one type of Malassezia infection. BUT not all Malassezia infections are created equal. For example, I know people with Seb Derm and even tinea versicolor (another type of Malassezia infection) and their skin improves with certain oils. This is not the case with malassezia folliculitis (fungal acne). I have had this condition for 4 years and can assure you that your face will flare with any oils (aside from MCT and mineral oil). MCT and mineral oil are safe for MF because of their carbon chain length. After having totally crappy skin for 3 years, I finally made a breakthrough with diet. Don’t treat your skin issues as fungal overgrowth but rather as a food sensitivity. I began an elimination diet, slowly introducing foods back in and within about a week my skin made a massive clearing unlike anything I had ever tried before (aside from oral antifungals). As long as I avoid those foods my skin does not flare. I feel like I have my life back because I have CONTROL over this beast. Some of the biggest triggers for my MF are nuts, avocados, biotin, anything containing silica, chocolate, sugars, fruit. Surprisingly, I am able to eat carbs like rice and beans, so long as I avoid meats. Eggs are also not a problem. Try an elimination diet. I believe everyone is different so figure out what YOU are sensitive to and don’t necessarily follow someone else’s diet recommendation. My forehead is now smooth. I used to have the gross sandpaper bumps. I hope this helps someone.
Really awesome to see someone who struggled with more than folliculitis! I myself have the persistent redness too from what doctors say is seb derm and it covers about 90% of my face but my scalp seems to be bearable.
Looking back at photos it’s clear that adding an oral (minocycline) and topical (clyndamicin) antibiotic at the same time as loads of benzoyl peroxide really is what set things off and got me all red and flaky.
The thing is, once you stop using all these why is there no rebound from the skin? it’s not like I used any of those products behind my ears, on my neck or scalp and there’s clearly Seb Derm there also. Does anyone know if a combination of puberty, dryness, antibiotics, and natural sensitivity(used to have blepharitis in eyelashes) could do me in for so many years?
The info here has seriously put me on the right path, I introduced Hyda Labo skin plumping gel twice a day and I still like it way more than the Avene Tolerance Rmulsion. I’ve only so far been using that and Lotrimin Ultra each night, and just the plumping gel in the morning after I shower. Every 3 or 4 days I’ll use stridex for a half hour before I wash with water because I still get some scaling build up but nothing like before. I still havent been brave enough to use a cleanser because I want to keep it minimal for now. I’m actually seeing some real improvement for the first time since I was 16 even though the combination of the Hyda Labo and Lotrimin (used seperately are fine) are causing me to get actual acne now at times, something I havent dealt with for a couple years so Im scared of scarring.
My question to whoever is most experienced with this is what’s the next best step? I’m thinking of probiotics because I took them along with digestive enzymes in the past for a few months and found they made a bit of a difference. I do think I need to do more to hydrate because I used sulphur for the past year and a half daily, while it was the only thing that helped at that point, but my skin got dryer than sandpaper. Hyda Labo is awesome and I want to swim in it but progress is slow, especially as redness is concerned.
To f.c and Crystal, What was the biggest next step that really made a breakthrough after you were using a proper moisturizer and an antifungal? I had thought those two would basically save me if I kept it all-natur-aal with water, but looking at it longterm, I clearly need more firepower. Can I get a bit of advice on which direction to go from here? I havent introduced anything new in a month so I’m ready baby. Thank you so much for doing what you do guys, I probably couldn’t have made it too many more years without the rays of hope this place has given me. Stay Golden.
-JV
Thank you for sharing your story. Again I got tears in my eyes reading one of this blog’s posts.
Thank for the encouragement too. I’m going to educated myself about my skin issues starting now 😀
Thank you so much for sharing your journey. I appreciate it and I’m going to follow your path. Can you tell me what cleansing oil it is that your speaking about? I didn’t see the recommendation unless I missed it. Thanks. Also to simpleskincare YOU ARE AMAZING and so helpful. You already have helped me more then my dermatologist. You’re very intelligent and know what your talking about. Happy holidays. Thanks so much
Great post. I have had problems with hard water, and fungus related rashes myself. For those interested in anti mold/fungal sprays try a product called VITALOXIDE. We used it in our house after super storm Sandy, it saved us. I used on EVERYTHING, clothing, leather, boots, furniture etc. We had mold spores everywhere and I wasn’t waiting for help to arrive or the insurance company to hire someone. It worked and I have been using it ever since.
Thank you so so so much for sharing your story—this is so helpful to see the complete picture from someone struggling with this from start to end. I too plotted my timeline and figured out the weird turn of events that must have kicked my malassezia troubles off. I’m loving your approach of some of these more natural, moisturizing herbal products—up until now I’ve been treating mine with some harsh anti-fungal shampoos, zinc pyrithione, various keratolytics, lotrimin etc. (and basically using f.c.’s advice like my skincare bible), and while I’ve seen significant improvement, I don’t think I’m going to see total clearance until I can rebalance/repair my skin barrier as well. I need to find a routine that’s consistent, sustainable and makes my skin feel healthier. Definitely going to follow up with all your amazing tips here—especially the home detox—I need to pick up that laundry wash and showerhead stat.
This was super interesting to read – especially because you’d had the problem for so many years and still managed to get rid of it. I’ve had fungal acne since i started puberty – never got diagnosed with it so was put on things like antibiotics to treat it which of course did not go well. Now, 12 years later, I had a similar moment to what you described of being like, fuck it, I’m GOING to figure out what’s wrong with my skin! I’d just come back from a holiday in Spain which had caused a particularly bad flare up from the heat, sunscreen and humidity (my skin seems to have a natural state of fungal acne on my forehead and inner cheeks) where the FA had spread to my whole face and the redness was getting worse and worse. I was also on holiday with my boyfriend and his sister who have been blessed with the smoothest, glowiest skin I’ve ever seen, so I felt like I couldn’t ignore how bad my skin was getting. I came home and started researching skincare in earnest, from a more science based perspective than I had previously, and thankfully came across fc’s blogpost before I had bought too many products that weren’t fa safe.
I got off to a kind of bad start – bought ketaconazole cream and didn’t get any reaction from patch testing, so went full face. Unfortunately after about three applications I had a horrific allergic reaction with a case of full face, painful stinging hives, which took a week to go down. At the end of that I was FA free for the first time in my life! But of course my moisture barrier was f’ed from the hives, so it gradually came back, though not as bad as before. I’ve since changed my routine and am experimenting (slowly) with incorporating more FA safe products for moisturising since it’s winter here so the squalane + Benton gel combo isn’t enough for me. Unfortunately I’ve found even some FA safe products have broken me out in FA, such as the snail mucin and skin aqua uv milk. I use clotramizole cream now because of the ketaconazole allergy and the difficulty finding any of the more interesting antifungals in Europe. I know fc didn’t seem very convinced about its efficacy in his guide, but with limited options, I’m finding it works quite well.
Just to finish off with a question: I’m interested in how you are able to use so many products with no FA safe ingredients? The Pyunkang Yul balancing gel, for example, contains 2 polysorbates. In my experience, even if I’m using an antifungal cream in the same routine, I can’t use ANYTHING that might aggravate the FA. did you find that once it cleared up it just never came back? Or is it that other products in your routine have enough antifungal action that they’re killing off any hopefully malassezia? Thank you so much for sharing your story!
Did you ever think your skin was getting worse and worse and that you could extrapolate a continuous deterioration of it? I’ve been attempting to apply CBT techniques to said thought process(.g. “How do I know this thought is true? What is the evidence of said deduction?”) , but, well…emotions and stuff… make it hard. Its still disheartening after many years of problems to gaze upon a disease that manifests itself externally. Sometimes things get easier, but the bad emotions do continue to return on some days (mainly when the condition gets bad enough that people stare or make comments) This article is very comforting Crystal, and I thank you for you time and effort. I enjoy everything you and f.c. ever post and look forward to every single word that my eyes will ever have the pleasure of reading.
I’m scared thinking I am getting worse as I get older, though perhaps good skin is only a bonus in life when you have self love. I want to be self-loving enough to kill the fear of people’s thoughts about my skin so that its gone for good. If I can have that AND look normal, then, I’d like to think, I would be the most joyful version of myself I could be.
Hi FC and Crystal! I just found this place a few weeks ago and haven’t commented yet (just tryna soak everything up, literally *and* figuratively, LOL), but I just gotta de-lurk to say THANK YOU TIMES A BAZILLION for this thorough and thoughtful post, and especially to you FC for all that you do here. I don’t have a fungal acne issue – I have regular ol’ bacterial/hormonal acne (since puberty, and I’m 45 now! I’m even an Accutane fail *whyyyyy god*), but I also have rosacea, am eczema prone, and have a documented fragrance allergy, so a lot of what you offer here is still incredibly helpful. Finally, someone understands! And the idea of taking a Six Sigma approach to skin problems is genius-level.
Anyway, not much else to add except even more thanks and warmest holiday wishes to the both of you! I hope Santa is extra good to you this year! xoxo
PS I lied, one more thing: “[y]ou have to sort through the too-busy professionals, the paid reviewers, and unsubstantiated claims to discern facts.” HELL. YES.
Hey Miss Blue,
I’ve had SD in my mustache area for the last 8 years or so but I have always been able to easily control it.
However, last year (I too was 26 just like you) I woke up from a nap to this burning, tight sensation on my face (you know, the pore areas next to your nose). I am curious to know whether or not yours started this way?
For the last year, I have not been able to get rid of that same feeling and it has driven me to the lowest places I have ever been.
However, like you, I too have been analyzing this whole thing to the nth degree to try an beat it!
This happened after I moved into my Fiance’s house that has extremely hard water, got a German Shepherd with her (who which got a fungal type infection on his ear), had been eating 8 cookies with ice cream and milk literally every night, had rarely been exercising at all, and had been using a Pyrithione Zinc soap bar on my face with minimal moisturizer afterwards. I have to assume that these are the leading contributors to my whole issue.
I’ve been working tirelessly day and night to fix this for the past year. I have adopted a plant based, whole food diet, I exercise nearly every day, I drink plenty of water, and we are getting a water softener put in tomorrow. On top of this, I have been using a hypoallergenic detergent for my clothes and bedding.
I guess the last things for me to do is to get hypoallergenic pillows, get that all antimicrobial additive for the washer and then develop a good skincare routine. I have been working on this last one for a year as well. I have had no relief until I got Bioderma DS+ cream. It has climbazole and piroctone olamine which provide antifungal activity. Applying this cream 4 days ago is the first thing that gave me some relief to the burning sensation.
Anyways, thanks for the post – it gives me hope and that is something that cannot be overrated. I am planning on getting married this year as well as starting Nursing School in a week. I want to be a great Husband and Father as well as Nurse, but it is so hard with this condition. I am sure you understand! Any response would be greatly appreciated!
Hi Crystal and F.C.! This blog has been really helpful and I hope to get your feedback on a solution for my problem. I’m a 40 year old woman who has been struggling with “backne” for many many years. I can’t remember a time that I felt comfortable about the skin on my back, though I did wear a strapless dress at my wedding, but I know it wasn’t completely clear even that day. I know I’ve always been prone to yeast – I had issues with vaginal yeast infections in my 20s, had thrush in my breasts when nursing one of my kids (so incredibly painful). I cleared them with prescribed antifungals and an anti-candida diet. But the back issues still remained. I had bad acne as a teen as well and used a few different antibiotics and creams, but eventually the thing that took care of it was going on birth control. Actually maybe the BC had something to do with my back being better at the time of my wedding. Anyway, about a year and a half ago I was fed up with the back stuff and went to a dermatologist. She diagnosed me with folliculitis. She said there were 2 types, bacterial and fungal. She assumed mine was fungal. She prescribed Ciclopirox Olamine Cream, USP, 0.77%. I was to apply 2x per day. I did this for months and months with not a lot of improvement. I went back to see her and she said it just takes time. She suggested we do a skin biopsy just to make sure it really was fungal. I declined the biopsy because of $$ and I assumed given my history and the stubbornness of this that it was fungal. I purchased a body cleanser online called Folliculit and continued to use the cream, also added in a supplement called Candidastat. Again, slight improvement, but really just seems like I plateau and then it just gets worse. So now currently I have been on a paleo diet for about 4-5 weeks with essentially no sugar or carbs or dairy, I have been using the Ciclopirox, I no longer use the folliculit or the candidastat. I used Neutrogena body clear wash. I had asked the derm about clothing, bedding, etc. She said I didn’t have to worry about that. But after reading Crystal’s post I wonder. So now I have purchased the Lysol sanitizing wash as well as one of FC’s recommended probiotics. I’m wondering what else I could do to tweak my routine. Change the body wash? Wondering if the Korean skincare would work on my back? Or may consider one of the other recommended body washes in the main guide. I can’t afford to replace carpeting, mattress, etc. But I wonder if I should be washing all of my clothes (at least tops, bras) in hot water? I usually do the standard cold water for bright colors, hot water for whites. Any suggestions or feedback would be so appreciated. I was really hoping I could wear some strappy sundresses this summer but looks like that is not likely…
Thanks for your help!
Hello! I just recently discovered that I’m struggling with fungal acne and decided to revamp my entire skincare routine and ordered everything you listed here 🙂 after receiving the products I looked at the ingredients of the balancing water and serum and see that it has hydrogenated castor oil, is that okay to use? I’m assuming it is since you reccommend it? But could you explain to me how it is so I won’t worry while I use it? I’m not sure you still check this site but if you do, please let me know! Thank you!
Thank you for this comprehensive journey-telling. I am 47 and just recently discovered my ‘tribe’ of people suffering from what has been a 25 year battle with this condition. I too went through high school without a blemish, well into my early 20s, and then started dealing with mysterious red bumps that itched and hurt horribly. When I saw the little white (what I now know to be) keratin plugs and literally had to pull them out with tweezers for the follicle to stop hurting, I felt like I had ‘missed something’ in my hygiene and it was humiliating. I dug holes in my skin – usually cheeks and chin – and caused a ton of scar damage. I continued to cover it up with more and more irritating makeup – but what was I going to do? I had a professional life. It kept me from having boyfriends sleep over…it was just awful. I went to doctors, dermatologists..they charged me a ton of money on topicals, antibiotics, and a $2500 round of IPL series that did absolutely nothing for my skin. I figured there was nothing to be done. What I did know but didn’t connect to it was that I am a shedder of epic proportions – my hair and my skin are constantly regenerating. Thank goodness I have a ton of both. BUT what I didn’t realize is that my dry skin cells were just getting stuck in my pores and making this condition worse.
In the past 25 years, the only time this cleared up were when I lived in the Nevada desert and my skin returned to porcelain flawlessness. No itching, no acne…just comfortable pretty skin.. And then a year or so ago when I got thrush a while after I had been on a round of antibiotics, the antifungal I was given cleaned up my skin again and I was a damn happy camper. But I didn’t put the two conditions together…and about two months ago it came back. ENOUGH!!!
This year I dealt with it until I simply couldn’t. I reached out to my (newish) doctor who listened to my symptoms and suggested that it might be folliculitis and gave me an oral prescription. I went to the interwebs and lo and behold, I found people with images of their own skin and realized I WASN’T ALONE!! It was the first time I have felt like there was hope for my skin in more than a decade. I gave my doctor the information and we adjusted my oral prescription and I started following this site and made purchases based on the experiences of people like you and reinvigorated my willingness to try again. I am so grateful for stories from people like you who have experienced the same long term challenge, embarrassment, and then willingness to kick this thing in its ass.
You mentioned that it caused a lot of issues in the rest of your outlook – it did the same to me. I wondered as I went into interviews and client meetings if people would think I didn’t take proper care of myself…or that I wore too much makeup, or if they would think that the swelling was from excessive drinking. So many things always over my head. But this has helped so much, it’s inspired me to be more consistent with my self-care overall and develop a true skincare, sleep, and activity regimen to reclaim myself from this. Thank you for sharing your story!
Thank you Crystal for sharing your story. I always find it encouraging and inspiring to see how people have persevered and ultimately beaten their skin troubles, even if they’re different to what I’m dealing with. I’m in my early twenties and I’m determined to beat my issues now, while it’s still early days and live my adult life carefree, and your story is another that gives me a nudge to stick it through. The thing that has resonated with me the most is the Acquring Baggage and State of Mind Shift sections.
I really strongly relate to the way your skin has affected your self esteem and social life and reading it has somewhat opened my eyes to my own situation. I always had beautiful skin that people openly envied up until the age of about 15. Aged 18 I was diagnosed with PCOS and I was promptly put on the pill; this was the miracle my skin needed and for the next couple of years I was overjoyed with how it looked and felt, to the point where skin was just not a conscious thought on my mind anymore. Fast forward 3 years later I started getting minor acne that I couldn’t explain as I was still on the same pill and my diet had immensely improved since I was in my late teens, but my breakouts weren’t enough to really bug me so I didn’t do a whole lot of digging. Then, when I was 21, I was hospitalised after a severe anaphylactic shock and I was given a killer steroid treatment that basically has been my downfall and I truly believe that’s where most of my health issues have arisen. 2 years later and it’s still coming out of my system. The treatment resulted in most side effects listed, worst of all, acne. It was so bad that even my mum, who is a constant source of support and caring admitted that it doesn’t look good. My hormonal acne also returned. Looking back on it now I believe this steroid treatment may have brought on malassezia folliculitis which I’m trying to beat today.
A long winded and perhaps unnecessary backstory there, but the constant thing throughout it has always been my shyness. I’ve always had plenty of other reasons for it, but my skin almost always played a big part in why I didn’t want to meet people or hang out with existing friends, or heaven forbid go to special events. Now I see this more clearly. Some people massively contributed to my low self esteem which made me even more likely to shut myself away from the world whenever I got the chance.
I’ve come a long way since then, both with the state of my skin and the way I handle these hurdles and the negativity that can come from others because of it. I’m learning so much from f. c. and it’s really giving me hope and determination to achieve my peach perfect complexion; I’ve been following the advice I’ve found here for about 4 days and already my skin is looking clearer!
Thank you for your hard work and contributions. Everything here is so helpful and supportive and greatly entertaining too 🙂
Hi Crystal!
Thank you so much for sharing your story! I was wondering if you could maybe share the name/brands of some of the sheet masks you’ve tried?
Thanks!
Thank you so much for sharing your story! So inspiring! I am so thankful to have found this website. Since finding it, I have changed all of my skincare lineup and everything has “clicked”.
I do find the hydration lacking in my skin and was wondering if you wouldn’t mind recommending some of the sheet masks that have worked for you? All of the ones I have stumbled upon seem to have so sort of oil or other no-no ingredients.
Thanks in advance!
Hi Crystal Blue!
First of all, YOU LOOK AMAZING. So happy that your routine worked well for you! Thank you so much for putting in time and effort in writing this post and the many comments as I definitely learnt more about dealing with Malassezia. I am definitely inspired to review and improve my method to match your systemic approach in dealing with Malassezia since I am quite new to it (After reading your post, I am suspecting a possible and unwanted cross breeding on my face.)
To f.c.
Your website is really the Bible of dealing with Malassezia and it had helped me tremendously. You’ve definitely inspired me to start a skincare blog on my own! Thank you so much for everything! I really did not even know that I was dealing with a Malassezia situation if it hadn’t been your blog Please come up with new content because I can’t stop lurking around at your blog on a monthly basis!
Wishing everyone good skin health! :>
Firstly THANK YOU so much. My skin flared so badly from nowhere. I tried everything and felt like I was losing a huge battle and my confidence was plummeting through the floor and I’ve been hiding my face under hats for almost a year.
I have a question, the BioDerma HydraBio Gel Cream… I read somewhere online that it’s a new formula and when I checked the ingredients it said ‘ate’ on the end of one of the things. Specifically,
ACRYLOYLDIMETHYLTAURATE
Could this trigger an irritation? I was using Effaclar Mat which I realised wasn’t on your recommended list and when I checked the ingredients it has Polysorbatw 80 in it which would explain why although the formula made my skin generally feel good I was still experiencing breakouts.
Hope to hear back from you soon,
THANK YOU again so much. Hoping I can finally conquer this battle soon!!
I have attached the full list of the new BioDerma HydraBio Gel Cream below invade you wanted to check of any other ingredients that could cause issues…
AQUA/WATER/EAU, GLYCERIN, ISODODECANE, CYCLOPENTASILOXANE, DIPROPYLENE GLYCOL, NIACINAMIDE, SQUALANE, POLYMETHYLSILSESQUIOXANE, C14-22 ALCOHOLS, HDI/TRIMETHYLOL HEXYLLACTONE CROSSPOLYMER, AMMONIUM ACRYLOYLDIMETHYLTAURATE/VP COPOLYMER, C30-45 ALKYL CETEARYL DIMETHICONE CROSSPOLYMER, CARBOMER, PENTYLENE GLYCOL, TOCOPHERYL ACETATE, C12-20 ALKYL GLUCOSIDE, STEARETH-21, DISODIUM EDTA, SALICYLIC ACID, SODIUM HYDROXIDE, MANNITOL, XYLITOL, HEXYLDECANOL, PEG/PPG-18/18 DIMETHICONE, RHAMNOSE, MALACHITE EXTRACT, PYRUS MALUS (APPLE) SEED EXTRACT, BRASSICA CAMPESTRIS (RAPESEED) STEROLS, TOCOPHEROL, FRAGRANCE (PARFUM). [BI 714]
First off, many thanks for sharing your story with us, Crystal Blue, and ofc, congratulations and all the best for finally kicking the pesky sucker in the arse. I’m also in Seoul and could relate to your little anecdotes specific to life with Koreans. 😉 My own struggle started 2 months ago, about 1 month after I arrived here, and I’ve yet to figure out the real trigger, considering I drastically cleaned up my diet beforehand (I was eating pretty healthily before anyways, wheat-free, dairy-free, meat-free, less sugar etc since I’m also trying to clean up my persistent hormonal acne).
Like you, I tried finding the source with a carefully logged journal of foods, AM/PM skincare logs on skin appearance, only to still find nothing. I originally thought it could’ve been a bad reaction to using 2 coincidentally FA-safe essences (Skinfood’s propolis essence and CosRX’s snail mucin essence), which after consecutive use for 2-3 nights seemed to have been my downfall. Even after immediately stopping the products the bumps didn’t go away. (Side note: I tested the propolis on its own and it seems fine, but I’d rather wait til I’m healed before testing out the CosRX.)
Thanks to finding the SimpleSkinCareScience I was able to FINALLY treat my skin as dehydrated and not as the “combination oily” type I was told since teenhood and simplified my skincare routine. (THANK YOU!!!) My Korean dermatologist completely dismissed my suggestion of having FA and my request for antifungals, instead, having me buy an ointment for vulgar acne, which caused more imbalance on my skin and renewed flare-ups. I decided to take matters into my own hands and bought a Korean version of Nizoral for the ketoconazole ingredient, which helped with the itchiness and calmed things down a little, but it wasn’t enough. The pink gunk was difficult to completely wash out of my pores and caused gradual build-up which required light manual exfoliation. (I’d see great improvement in skin texture the next day, but the bumps would be back by the evening.) Started taking ACV first thing in the morning and probiotics as well, but I guess it takes more than 1 month to see results.
Just in case this could help others, my simplified skin treatment routine looks like this:
Switched out make up wipes for Bioderma’s micellar water (blue cap), wash with my TAAJ ayurvedic cream cleanser (it’s the only thing I have atm that doesn’t leave my skin taught), following up with the combo of Nature Republic’s aloe vera mist and Hada Labo’s Premium lotion (lifesaver in keeping the crinkly paper-like dryness at bay!!). I then alternate between Avene’s Tolerance emulsion and Aveeno mixed with 1-2 drops of tea tree oil. Sometimes I’ll finish with some squalane from The Ordinary, and I’ll occasionally throw in a Mediheal tea tree or Innisfree’s madecassoside face mask, but I like to keep things minimal so my skin doesn’t freak out from all the ingredients.
Result? 0 flakiness. So far I’ve seen *some* improvement with the actual bumps, but have now plateaued and am at a loss of what to do next. My Korean acupuncturist is fed up with seeing me come in with the same request to treat my unimproved skin and doesn’t believe it could’ve been the products and suggests an allergy instead, but as nothing seems to point in that direction in my food/skincare journal for that month, I feel like I’ve been wasting my money on conventional and non conventional doctors who either exacerbate the problem at worst or do nothing at best.
Simplifying my routine has absolutely helped, researching online to become better informed has helped even more, but I’m really wondering how I can take that extra step to rebalancing my skin barrier and killing off this sucker. I’d definitely get a bottle of that Ryoe shampoo once my Avalon Organics is done, but I feel like buying more products isn’t the answer (and I still feel like that’s what got me into this mess, but I can’t be 100% certain of that), but that’s just a gut feeling I have for my specific situation. I’ll follow your lead and wash my sheets with antifungals to see if there’s even a slight improvement, but even that has me a little skeptical as I sleep on both sides of my face and only one side (+forehead) is really affected.
All this to say, thanks for sharing your success story and most of all, for proving once again that educated lifestyle changes and educated consumerism following one’s personal research is really what helps us all in the end, because we definitely do not have a “one treatment fits all” problem. We blindly place too much trust in doctors (or youtube bloggers) and their ability to fix our problems with a pill or a new product on the market, when really we should be more proactive in learning the facts behind our body’s reactions and the products/food we want to put on/in it.